Sorry, please forgive me, as I realize this is an LLM focused forum rather than an LLB one. But I'm not quite sure where to turn to ask this question. Although if someone could direct me to a LLB focused forum, I'd very much appreciate it. Thanks.
Otherwise...
I'm American and have a bachelor's degree from an American university. However, I'm really considering applying for a second bachelor's degree in law in the UK rather than applying to an American law school.
My question is: If I'm admitted to a law degree in the UK - for example let us say I'm miraculously admitted to a stellar one like Oxbridge (which apparently does allow for mature and affiliated students) - will I as a non-UK resident be unable to find a job as a solicitor at a London law firm? Do you reckon London law firms be unwilling to sponsor me, even if I graduate from a top tier UK uni in law like Oxbridge (assuming American, single/unmarried marital status, competitive uni grades)? In other words, is it a bad idea for me as an American to even consider applying to a UK uni for a second bachelor's degree in law? Or is it realistic that an American graduating from a strong UK law school with competitive grades is hired by a UK law firm as a solicitor?
(Obviously this is the best case scenario, but I'm trying to see if even the best case scenario would work, or if I should not apply to UK law schools in the first place, as I wouldn't stand a chance of employment afterwards.)
Thanks again.
USA or UK?
Posted Feb 05, 2007 10:11
Otherwise...
I'm American and have a bachelor's degree from an American university. However, I'm really considering applying for a second bachelor's degree in law in the UK rather than applying to an American law school.
My question is: If I'm admitted to a law degree in the UK - for example let us say I'm miraculously admitted to a stellar one like Oxbridge (which apparently does allow for mature and affiliated students) - will I as a non-UK resident be unable to find a job as a solicitor at a London law firm? Do you reckon London law firms be unwilling to sponsor me, even if I graduate from a top tier UK uni in law like Oxbridge (assuming American, single/unmarried marital status, competitive uni grades)? In other words, is it a bad idea for me as an American to even consider applying to a UK uni for a second bachelor's degree in law? Or is it realistic that an American graduating from a strong UK law school with competitive grades is hired by a UK law firm as a solicitor?
(Obviously this is the best case scenario, but I'm trying to see if even the best case scenario would work, or if I should not apply to UK law schools in the first place, as I wouldn't stand a chance of employment afterwards.)
Thanks again.
Posted Feb 05, 2007 18:35
I think you should do a JD in the States or an LLB in Canada. With that, you could work in London, USA or Canada. If you go for the UK degree, you will have a tough time getting into an American firm (assuming that you change your mind I want to go back to the Statesd); wheras if you have a JD, you can break into the UK firms without any more difficulty than if you had a UK degree.
Same goes for Canada. I know several lawyers who did their LLB's in canada and then moved into Magic Circle firms in London. UK firms seem to like Canadians, since we are both barristoers and soliciters and are generally older and have more experience than our UK counterparts in that we have an BA and an LLB before applying.
I'm sure others will disagree, but this is how i see it...
Same goes for Canada. I know several lawyers who did their LLB's in canada and then moved into Magic Circle firms in London. UK firms seem to like Canadians, since we are both barristoers and soliciters and are generally older and have more experience than our UK counterparts in that we have an BA and an LLB before applying.
I'm sure others will disagree, but this is how i see it...
Posted Feb 05, 2007 21:00
I don't disagree. In fact, there is some rumour that UK firms actually will pay you better than your UK counterparts if you have US experience (i.e., the New York bar).
P. Martini
P. Martini
Posted Feb 06, 2007 01:53
Thank you guys for the help! :) It does make sense, maybe I should stay in the US...
Actually, I forgot to mention, do you think it will make much of a difference if I have dual citizenship with an EU nation (although I haven't lived in Europe since I was a kid, I grew up here in the US; also, it's not citizenship with the UK, but a Continental nation)? That is, do you think London law firms will be more willing to hire someone with EU citizenship, especially if I graduate (again, best case scenario) from a law school like Oxbridge, get competitive grades/marks, but am single?
Actually, I forgot to mention, do you think it will make much of a difference if I have dual citizenship with an EU nation (although I haven't lived in Europe since I was a kid, I grew up here in the US; also, it's not citizenship with the UK, but a Continental nation)? That is, do you think London law firms will be more willing to hire someone with EU citizenship, especially if I graduate (again, best case scenario) from a law school like Oxbridge, get competitive grades/marks, but am single?
Posted Feb 07, 2007 11:55
You could try contacting the Law Society in England and Wales or Scotland, perhaps check their website for any information on this matter.
One thing that you should be aware of is completing an LL.B doesn't admit you to practice - you've another year of studying to get through with a further Cerificate or Diploma course required before you can get to your traineeship, in most cases I'm aware of.
I do know someone from the USA who completed an LL.B in the UK, rather than a JD, but she's now working as an academic legal research assistant at The University of Edinburgh, rather than practicing law.
One thing that you should be aware of is completing an LL.B doesn't admit you to practice - you've another year of studying to get through with a further Cerificate or Diploma course required before you can get to your traineeship, in most cases I'm aware of.
I do know someone from the USA who completed an LL.B in the UK, rather than a JD, but she's now working as an academic legal research assistant at The University of Edinburgh, rather than practicing law.
Posted Feb 08, 2007 15:47
Thank you guys for the help! :) It does make sense, maybe I should stay in the US...
Actually, I forgot to mention, do you think it will make much of a difference if I have dual citizenship with an EU nation (although I haven't lived in Europe since I was a kid, I grew up here in the US; also, it's not citizenship with the UK, but a Continental nation)? That is, do you think London law firms will be more willing to hire someone with EU citizenship, especially if I graduate (again, best case scenario) from a law school like Oxbridge, get competitive grades/marks, but am single?
I think you would count as a migrant EU national and a worker. On that basis, as good law abiding law firms, they could not discriminate against you on the basis of your nationality; that of course would leave the question of qualifications.
Actually, I forgot to mention, do you think it will make much of a difference if I have dual citizenship with an EU nation (although I haven't lived in Europe since I was a kid, I grew up here in the US; also, it's not citizenship with the UK, but a Continental nation)? That is, do you think London law firms will be more willing to hire someone with EU citizenship, especially if I graduate (again, best case scenario) from a law school like Oxbridge, get competitive grades/marks, but am single?</blockquote>
I think you would count as a migrant EU national and a worker. On that basis, as good law abiding law firms, they could not discriminate against you on the basis of your nationality; that of course would leave the question of qualifications.
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