Harvard LL M TOEFL


Peacemaker
Hello,

My beloved brother is upset with his TOEFL scores. He has all credentials ( I believe) to apply to HLS except his TOEFL.

He registered for the test more than four times. Surprisingly, his total score in each of them is between 94-95 with a fair distribution between sections.

He has his last chance ( he's taking the last TOEFL on 31st of October. However, suppose he did not score the desired 100. What would you do if you were in his place?

Has HLS ever granted LL M admission to candidates with scores below 100?

Would like to hearing from you.

Thanks in advance.
Hello,

My beloved brother is upset with his TOEFL scores. He has all credentials ( I believe) to apply to HLS except his TOEFL.

He registered for the test more than four times. Surprisingly, his total score in each of them is between 94-95 with a fair distribution between sections.

He has his last chance ( he's taking the last TOEFL on 31st of October. However, suppose he did not score the desired 100. What would you do if you were in his place?

Has HLS ever granted LL M admission to candidates with scores below 100?

Would like to hearing from you.

Thanks in advance.

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Jack13
Hello,

My beloved brother is upset with his TOEFL scores. He has all credentials ( I believe) to apply to HLS except his TOEFL.

He registered for the test more than four times. Surprisingly, his total score in each of them is between 94-95 with a fair distribution between sections.

He has his last chance ( he's taking the last TOEFL on 31st of October. However, suppose he did not score the desired 100. What would you do if you were in his place?

Has HLS ever granted LL M admission to candidates with scores below 100?

Would like to hearing from you.

Thanks in advance.



He should not apply harvard until he gets 25 in each susections
<blockquote>Hello,

My beloved brother is upset with his TOEFL scores. He has all credentials ( I believe) to apply to HLS except his TOEFL.

He registered for the test more than four times. Surprisingly, his total score in each of them is between 94-95 with a fair distribution between sections.

He has his last chance ( he's taking the last TOEFL on 31st of October. However, suppose he did not score the desired 100. What would you do if you were in his place?

Has HLS ever granted LL M admission to candidates with scores below 100?

Would like to hearing from you.

Thanks in advance.

</blockquote>

He should not apply harvard until he gets 25 in each susections
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Peacemaker
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best
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AppleLemon
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


Something really similar happened to me. He has to be open to another options though. There're many excellent universities that don't require that score or aren't so strict with it.
<blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

Something really similar happened to me. He has to be open to another options though. There're many excellent universities that don't require that score or aren't so strict with it.
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Peacemaker
Could you name some of those universities? Do they require a TOEFL score less than 100?
Could you name some of those universities? Do they require a TOEFL score less than 100?

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Jack13
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.
<blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.
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Axl
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.


I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.
<blockquote><blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.</blockquote>

I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.
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Peacemaker
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.


I disagree. I would encourage him to apply no matter what.
<blockquote><blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.</blockquote>

I disagree. I would encourage him to apply no matter what.
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Jack13
Could you name some of those universities? Do they require a TOEFL score less than 100?



Nearly all Law Schools require at least 100. I think he should really work on his toefl score.
<blockquote>Could you name some of those universities? Do they require a TOEFL score less than 100?

</blockquote>

Nearly all Law Schools require at least 100. I think he should really work on his toefl score.
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Peacemaker
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.


I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.


I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.</blockquote>

I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.</blockquote>

I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!

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Jack13
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.


I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.


I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!



That's why he should wait. You are telling me he is a strong candidate. He would ruin his chances if he applied with a toefl score lower than 100.
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.</blockquote>

I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.</blockquote>

I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!

</blockquote>

That's why he should wait. You are telling me he is a strong candidate. He would ruin his chances if he applied with a toefl score lower than 100.
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Axl
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.


I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.


I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!



That's why he should wait. You are telling me he is a strong candidate. He would ruin his chances if he applied with a toefl score lower than 100.


I'm not telling you he's a strong candidate. I don't know that. What I'm saying is that IF his application is otherwise strong, TOEFL shouldn't be a problem. He might ruin his chances with a TOEFL score of 94 though. This is not to say that he must have at least 25 in each section in order to get in.

Other schools are less forgiving and strictly observe this requirement (e.g. Chicago). Harvard is definitely not one of them.
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.</blockquote>

I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.</blockquote>

I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!

</blockquote>

That's why he should wait. You are telling me he is a strong candidate. He would ruin his chances if he applied with a toefl score lower than 100.</blockquote>

I'm not telling you he's a strong candidate. I don't know that. What I'm saying is that IF his application is otherwise strong, TOEFL shouldn't be a problem. He might ruin his chances with a TOEFL score of 94 though. This is not to say that he must have at least 25 in each section in order to get in.

Other schools are less forgiving and strictly observe this requirement (e.g. Chicago). Harvard is definitely not one of them.
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AppleLemon
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.


I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.


I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!



Hey! Don't make him false expectations. I even read here at this forum, someone who couldn't get in although she/he strongly stated that she/he was qualified to get in....
I'm just realistic, Harvard is really hard to get in and toefl is one significant factor among many others. I seriously think they are strict with everything, not solely with the toefl scores.
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.</blockquote>

I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.</blockquote>

I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!

</blockquote>

Hey! Don't make him false expectations. I even read here at this forum, someone who couldn't get in although she/he strongly stated that she/he was qualified to get in....
I'm just realistic, Harvard is really hard to get in and toefl is one significant factor among many others. I seriously think they are strict with everything, not solely with the toefl scores.
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AppleLemon
Could you name some of those universities? Do they require a TOEFL score less than 100?



He has to look for those, It's a personal decision of what university he supposedly want or expect. Everything's on internet!!
<blockquote>Could you name some of those universities? Do they require a TOEFL score less than 100?

</blockquote>

He has to look for those, It's a personal decision of what university he supposedly want or expect. Everything's on internet!!
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Jack13
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.


I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.


I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!



That's why he should wait. You are telling me he is a strong candidate. He would ruin his chances if he applied with a toefl score lower than 100.


I'm not telling you he's a strong candidate. I don't know that. What I'm saying is that IF his application is otherwise strong, TOEFL shouldn't be a problem. He might ruin his chances with a TOEFL score of 94 though. This is not to say that he must have at least 25 in each section in order to get in.

Other schools are less forgiving and strictly observe this requirement (e.g. Chicago). Harvard is definitely not one of them.


A few posts above you wrote the following:

"He has all credentials ( I believe) to apply to HLS except his TOEFL."

That's why I implied you consider him a strong candidate.

Secondly, Harvard does take into consideration the TOEFL score. Although a high toefl score doesn't get you into Harvard, a low score would probably kick you out.
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.</blockquote>

I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.</blockquote>

I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!

</blockquote>

That's why he should wait. You are telling me he is a strong candidate. He would ruin his chances if he applied with a toefl score lower than 100.</blockquote>

I'm not telling you he's a strong candidate. I don't know that. What I'm saying is that IF his application is otherwise strong, TOEFL shouldn't be a problem. He might ruin his chances with a TOEFL score of 94 though. This is not to say that he must have at least 25 in each section in order to get in.

Other schools are less forgiving and strictly observe this requirement (e.g. Chicago). Harvard is definitely not one of them.</blockquote>

A few posts above you wrote the following:

"He has all credentials ( I believe) to apply to HLS except his TOEFL."

That's why I implied you consider him a strong candidate.

Secondly, Harvard does take into consideration the TOEFL score. Although a high toefl score doesn't get you into Harvard, a low score would probably kick you out.
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Peacemaker
Thank you all for participating here.

My brother has a scholarship for 2016-2017. Therefore, he can not wait for the following year.

What I meant by trying, is to be able to throw the dice as it is his only chance.

Away from my brother's issue, I still believe Harvard might accept a student with a TOEFL score below 100, even though it is very hard.
Thank you all for participating here.

My brother has a scholarship for 2016-2017. Therefore, he can not wait for the following year.

What I meant by trying, is to be able to throw the dice as it is his only chance.

Away from my brother's issue, I still believe Harvard might accept a student with a TOEFL score below 100, even though it is very hard.



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AppleLemon
Thank you all for participating here.

My brother has a scholarship for 2016-2017. Therefore, he can not wait for the following year.

What I meant by trying, is to be able to throw the dice as it is his only chance.

Away from my brother's issue, I still believe Harvard might accept a student with a TOEFL score below 100, even though it is very hard.




I don't know why do you ask at this forum, if you already knew the answer!! Haha. Here's is the post I was telling you before: http://www.llm-guide.com/board/43747. It's really absurd!
<blockquote>Thank you all for participating here.

My brother has a scholarship for 2016-2017. Therefore, he can not wait for the following year.

What I meant by trying, is to be able to throw the dice as it is his only chance.

Away from my brother's issue, I still believe Harvard might accept a student with a TOEFL score below 100, even though it is very hard.



</blockquote>

I don't know why do you ask at this forum, if you already knew the answer!! Haha. Here's is the post I was telling you before: http://www.llm-guide.com/board/43747. It's really absurd!
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Peacemaker
Thank you all for participating here.

My brother has a scholarship for 2016-2017. Therefore, he can not wait for the following year.

What I meant by trying, is to be able to throw the dice as it is his only chance.

Away from my brother's issue, I still believe Harvard might accept a student with a TOEFL score below 100, even though it is very hard.




I don't know why do you ask at this forum, if you already knew the answer!! Haha. Here's is the post I was telling you before: http://www.llm-guide.com/board/43747. It's really absurd!



I think my thoughts are obvious dear friend. I mentioned ( I believe).

So, I am guessing, not assuring.

Moreover, I provided many details based on other participants on this thread.

Take it easy, all I needed is hearing your answers.
<blockquote><blockquote>Thank you all for participating here.

My brother has a scholarship for 2016-2017. Therefore, he can not wait for the following year.

What I meant by trying, is to be able to throw the dice as it is his only chance.

Away from my brother's issue, I still believe Harvard might accept a student with a TOEFL score below 100, even though it is very hard.



</blockquote>

I don't know why do you ask at this forum, if you already knew the answer!! Haha. Here's is the post I was telling you before: http://www.llm-guide.com/board/43747. It's really absurd!</blockquote>


I think my thoughts are obvious dear friend. I mentioned ( I believe).

So, I am guessing, not assuring.

Moreover, I provided many details based on other participants on this thread.

Take it easy, all I needed is hearing your answers.
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Jack13
Thank you all for participating here.

My brother has a scholarship for 2016-2017. Therefore, he can not wait for the following year.

What I meant by trying, is to be able to throw the dice as it is his only chance.

Away from my brother's issue, I still believe Harvard might accept a student with a TOEFL score below 100, even though it is very hard.




Well, now I understand why he is unable to defer to the following year. I don't mean to be rude but I do believe a score below 100 won't get him in for sure.

Harvard is a very selective school and plenty of stunning candidates get rejected every year. A candidate cannot afford being below Harvard's minimum requirements.
<blockquote>Thank you all for participating here.

My brother has a scholarship for 2016-2017. Therefore, he can not wait for the following year.

What I meant by trying, is to be able to throw the dice as it is his only chance.

Away from my brother's issue, I still believe Harvard might accept a student with a TOEFL score below 100, even though it is very hard.



</blockquote>

Well, now I understand why he is unable to defer to the following year. I don't mean to be rude but I do believe a score below 100 won't get him in for sure.

Harvard is a very selective school and plenty of stunning candidates get rejected every year. A candidate cannot afford being below Harvard's minimum requirements.
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Axl
Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best


He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.


I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.


I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!



That's why he should wait. You are telling me he is a strong candidate. He would ruin his chances if he applied with a toefl score lower than 100.


I'm not telling you he's a strong candidate. I don't know that. What I'm saying is that IF his application is otherwise strong, TOEFL shouldn't be a problem. He might ruin his chances with a TOEFL score of 94 though. This is not to say that he must have at least 25 in each section in order to get in.

Other schools are less forgiving and strictly observe this requirement (e.g. Chicago). Harvard is definitely not one of them.


A few posts above you wrote the following:

"He has all credentials ( I believe) to apply to HLS except his TOEFL."

That's why I implied you consider him a strong candidate.

Secondly, Harvard does take into consideration the TOEFL score. Although a high toefl score doesn't get you into Harvard, a low score would probably kick you out.


It wasn't I who said that he had all credentials, but Peacemaker. I said that 3 people from my county, out of 5 who I know to have been accepted, didn't meet Harvard's TOEFL requirement and still managed to get in.
<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Thanks.

I guess he should apply in all cases as he does not have anything to lose!

I am asking about the chances no more.

Best</blockquote>

He should not. He doesn't stand a chance. If his credentials are really good, he should just wait, improve his toefl, and eventually apply Harvard next year.</blockquote>

I know 3 guys from my country who got in despite not meeting Harvard's TOEFL requirement (22, 23 speaking, the third one didn't even satisfy a general 100 requirement). If your application is otherwise strong, TOEFL won't be a problem.</blockquote>

I see. He is reading this post right now. His application is very strong. Let's try!

</blockquote>

That's why he should wait. You are telling me he is a strong candidate. He would ruin his chances if he applied with a toefl score lower than 100.</blockquote>

I'm not telling you he's a strong candidate. I don't know that. What I'm saying is that IF his application is otherwise strong, TOEFL shouldn't be a problem. He might ruin his chances with a TOEFL score of 94 though. This is not to say that he must have at least 25 in each section in order to get in.

Other schools are less forgiving and strictly observe this requirement (e.g. Chicago). Harvard is definitely not one of them.</blockquote>

A few posts above you wrote the following:

"He has all credentials ( I believe) to apply to HLS except his TOEFL."

That's why I implied you consider him a strong candidate.

Secondly, Harvard does take into consideration the TOEFL score. Although a high toefl score doesn't get you into Harvard, a low score would probably kick you out.</blockquote>

It wasn't I who said that he had all credentials, but Peacemaker. I said that 3 people from my county, out of 5 who I know to have been accepted, didn't meet Harvard's TOEFL requirement and still managed to get in.
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