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K.Philip


Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Posts: 2
Lower Second Class Admissions
Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:08 PM
Good evening everybody,

I am currently a third year student at Dublin Business School, but due to unforeseen circumstances performed quite poorly in my finals last summer. The chances are that once my LL.B. is awarded it will be of middle lower-second-class standard (around 55%). I also have a summer's worth of work experience, albeit administrative in a city law firm. The degree is awarded by the University of Wales. Is it entirely unreasonable to expect to be accepted into a decent college to study the LL.M. in the United Kingdom with these grades? I wish to specialise in Corporate Law or its aspects (Insolvency, Competition, Intellectual Property). Which courses do you think would be suitable for me to pursue? I would truly appreciate realistic comments rather than the wishful thinking and heavy-handed snobbery I have seen in some threads on these boards.

I have been looking at courses such as:

1. LLM in Corporate Finance Law, University Of Westminster, London
2. LLM in International Commercial Law, Kingston University, Kingston-Upon-Thames
3. LLM in Insolvency Law, Nottingham Trent University, Nottingham
4. LLM in Competition Law, Nottingham Trent University, Nottingham
5. LLM in International Commercial Law, City University London, London
6. LLM in International Trade Law, University Of East Anglia, Norwich
7. LLM in Intellectual Property Law, Brunel University, Uxbridge, London

Should all these fail, I'm hopeful the University Of Buckingham will accept me to participate in an LLM in International and Commercial Law.

What are your opinions of these courses, and could you suggest some similar courses of merit in the Greater London Area?

[Edited by K.Philip on 21 Jan 2009]
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Northerner

Joined: 10 Dec 2008
Posts: 26
Lower Second Class Admissions
Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:06 PM
Hi K.P. McGivney,

I can't comment on any of those programmes, but I would suggest that, in some fashion in your application, you explain (if it's not too personal/private) the "unforeseen circumstances" that caused you to underperform on your finals. Admissions officers are human beings, after all, and may be willing to somewhat gloss over your showing -- especially if your marks in other semesters were relatively strong.

Sorry if that seems like an obvious suggestion!
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Interalia

Joined: 29 Aug 2008
Posts: 129
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:11 PM
Have you thought about Queen Mary's LLM. It does accept 2nd lowers, the only catch being that you need to work a couple of years first.
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S_Dimelow

Joined: 29 Dec 2005
Posts: 157
Lower Second Class Admissions
Thu Jan 22, 2009 09:38 AM
I think you seem to have thought pragmatically and you would have a good chance of being accepted on all of the courses you mention.

If you wish to specialise in Corporate law, you may be better looking at corporate governance or, as you have done, insolvency LLMs. Certainly not Intellectual property, which is something completely different. International trade gives the impression of commercial trade and contract law rather than the structuring of a corporate entity and the like, but I'm sure it is just the case that the general programme name is not an overly accurate reflection of the modules on offer. Other than that, the only knowledge I could bestow about your choices would be that if you intend to practice and take a English LPC/BVC then NTU offer one of the best regarded so, after a year settling there, you may be a better set candidate.

Obviously, I don't know how good or bad a candidate you are overall but may I suggest you consider a speculative application or two to an institution such as Cardiff, Bristol, QUB, Warwick, QMUL, Durham (perhaps in that order, depending on your confidence). The reason I say this is that I know of students that have got into a similar subject area with 2:2s at the same sort of average. Sometimes, with a bit of persuasion, sometimes not. Cardiff and Bristol might be the best bet but if you have a genuine reason for your failings which can be backed up by your referees, you never know! Sorry, though, they aren't all in the London area!
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naija

Joined: 30 Jan 2009
Posts: 42
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:01 AM
hello.
i honestly do not understand the whole admission thing and all.this is because some of the schools specifically stated that second class lower degree were acceptable, so really wats up wiv them refusing some1 who has like 55%?
i have a 2:2 from the university and i am considering applying for LL.M programme into a Warwick or Birmingham.
I would like comments on this particularly from those who have the same class of degree and have been offered admission into any of this schools.
most grateful for anticipated response.
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S_Dimelow

Joined: 29 Dec 2005
Posts: 157
Lower Second Class Admissions
Sun Feb 01, 2009 03:33 PM
They specifically state it yes, but it is written as a secondary comment to their preference for first or upper second quality students. For example:

Typical Taught LLM entry requirements Birmingham:
A first or upper second class Honours degree in law (or a joint Honours degree with a major law component). Students with lower second class law Honours degrees will also be considered if supported by strong academic references and where some modules were of good upper second class standard.

Plus, apart from those students who suffer from mitigating circumstances of some sort, someone with a 2:2, in my opinion, would struggle to get 'strong academic references' (depending how you interpret strong) because often, the 2:2 is a result of non or bad attendance or lack of work- something which lecturers always pick up on. As I mentioned in my post, that is not to say a student with a 2:2 cant get into a good school at all, only to say that most say that a 2:1 is necessary and so it is a good idea to work hard on the personal statement and be prepared to send in copies of your work which demonstrate a good 2:1 standard, if need be.
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naija

Joined: 30 Jan 2009
Posts: 42
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Wed Feb 04, 2009 05:19 PM
'sup...... s_dimelow
really appreciate ur response to my post.guess i most pray that i get a strong reference to boost my application.
thanks a lot.
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cann


Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 68
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Wed Feb 04, 2009 08:12 PM
I would recommend you NOT to waste time with Kingston, it is simply not worth it, unless you do insolvency with John Tribe who is excellent
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